Kate had a great Brekky chat with Sammy Butcher, well known for his output with the Warumpi Band but also for 40 years of mentoring young people and being an important support in his community of Papunya. Recently he’s been travelling alot and is in Mparntwe as part of MCSCA’s Big Day Out in Harmony for a very special performace. Anas from Evora Care and Ali from the MCSCA Board were in the studio to share our conversation.